Terra FM, Teacher Education Radio Austria, das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. Herzlich willkommen bei Terra FM PHTV live aus dem Studio in der Huemastraße mit sehr interessanten Gästen heute wieder. Und es ist eine internationale Sendung, deshalb werden wir sprachlich wieder auf eine andere Sprache, auf eine gemeinsame Sprache, die wir haben, switchen. In diesem Fall ist das Englisch. I say a very warm welcome to all of you. We start with the ladies, Thomas, don't we? We have here Florina. Maybe Florina, can you give this microphone to Florina? Yes, that's good. I have one, because I'm talking to you. You come from? I come from Kosovo. From the city of? Mitrovica. Mitrovica and also University of Mitrovica. And I'm Andrea. I come from Babesvaj University from Klusnapoka, Romania. I was very lucky now because you pronounced it. Very welcome, Andrea. Thank you for having us here today with you. Thank you for coming. Yeah, and I'm Thomas. I'm from the Pädagogische Hochschule here, so I'm kind of the local guy here. Yes, Thomas, maybe we start with you because you can give us, you were probably the right guy to give us the reason here why we are sitting here and what's actually going on. What brought Fiorina and andrea to linds yeah well it started kind of with a crazy idea a while ago i applied for a c-pass scholarship for a winter school and yeah right now we have 40 people students and teachers from eight countries here in linds working on subject of social impact of distance learning. We have to get back a little bit to the SIPAS thing, because many probably of our listeners and viewers will not know what SIPAS is. And that's also interesting, but we can do that later on. Maybe we can hand over to you, Andrea, and you tell us a little bit what brought you into this project. What is your background? I mean, I know a little bit, but our viewers and listeners won't. Of course. Let me just start with saying that we have a very strong partnership and cooperation with our dearest colleagues from Linz. And it started a very, very long time ago. So whenever they reach out to us with various programs we are trying to attend to participate and to make a valuable contribution we have been in European intensive programs ten years ago so we were more than happy then now Thomas reach out to us and invited in this CIPOS program. We are from a special education department at the Faculty of Education in Cluj, Psychology and Sciences of Education in Cluj. But we always feel welcomed here with regards of teacher training, international programs, students' mobilities, teacher mobilities. So thank you again for the opportunity. And all of you are always welcome, warmly welcome to our beautiful city and university. And you, Andrea, you are a teacher, but Fiorina is a student, as far as I know, isn't it? Yeah. And how do you, kind of, how is it that you came into this project? And how do you kind of how how is it that you came into this project? OK, firstly, we have we had the best opportunity from Thomas and our professors in our university. We had the chance to promote our education in Kosovo, who was promoted and who was in during COVID-19. was promoted and who was in during COVID-19 and we had the chance to show to all other nationalities how we went through the COVID-19, how we worked, how we learned and how our teacher teaches. Maybe we can hand over the microphone to Thomas again we always say it's the police that we have to use cable microphones I hope the police is not listening and watching because they are very close by in the building and we had some disturbance on the wireless microphones so now we're using those Thomas, the topic is simple it's a very interesting name because when you... I saw yesterday the name tag SIMPLE on Maria. Here it is as well. SIMPLE on the other side. That's a funny name. But can you say again what does it stand for? Social Impact of Distance Learning. Okay. So give us a little bit of more background of why you chose that topic. What is the background reason? Well, it's quite simple because as we all know, a couple of years ago, the education looked different because most of us were going to school, to the building physically or to the university and then Corona came and everything changed a little bit and well that's already a couple of years ago and i thought it's a good time to look a little bit back so what kind of social impact this distance learning had because our life changed our way of learning changed a little bit and probably it left a lot of impact and traces in our lives. And I was thinking it would be extremely interesting to see in an international area how that affected people. Fiorina, can you tell us a little bit what you're actually doing? I mean, how are you doing this, what Thomas just mentioned? Okay, we started one month to complete all the information, all the statistics and that we take from... So before you came to Austria? Yeah, before we come to here in Linz, we with our professors we try to make a conclusion. It's very important that you take the microphone with you when you look to me. With conclusion about who was the teaching and learning during COVID-19 in Kosovo. And with this one, we, we try it to, we tried our best to collect all the interesting things, challenges, advantages and disadvantages of online learning. Next day, tomorrow, we will have the presentation. Also, we had some other activities that we are organized by coordinator like country evening that we not only present online learning in our country but we also have the chance to present our country traditional things uh traditional uh from um from food from our culture and so on. Andrea, if we speak about distance learning in Romania, how is it done and is it very strong? I mean, here in Austria, definitely COVID made a big boost. So before it was kind of, it was here, but no comparison to what I know, for instance, from the Baltic countries or Scandinavia. Okay, so I wanted just to make the difference between the distance education in that way. So at the university, there are many specializations that run also distance education programs, are many specializations that run also distance education programs, meaning that they focus on individual study mainly, and some meetings that became, of course, after the pandemic online meetings. And they were, as I said, focusing more on getting the same competencies in these programs, but through individual study, mentoring, exams, handouts, syllabus. And then also students who were at the other programs became online students. And this is why I say that it was different, because those who were on site now became online meaning that they had to to participate using the platforms that we had to implement and start using at an university level with the accounts and with having access to materials and during the pandemic, also having the exams online at that time. So, and then in time, after we reopened the university in that way, we had during the semester, two or three weeks online. So it was a gradually readapting to this form of being in the university. And just I remember that we were talking with my colleagues that when we started, there were students at the third year of their study who would come for the first time to see the faculty, to enter the halls, the amphitheater, the rooms. So it was quite interesting in a way that challenging as well for everybody, but also trying to adapt to what it was about education, not neglecting the importance of what online education became. And that is a reality that it will not be possible to annul it, meaning that many universities are offering more open courses, more and more open courses. The conferences are online. You can attend. So the benefit of this online education or online way of organizing the activities was that this huge expansion and development of professional communities that happened and this cannot be neglected or we must take it into consideration. And I think this will remain in time more and more. I mean, for me, let's say it would be very difficult to attend a conference in Japan, let's say, or Australia, but I may attend it. So even for students, it became a possibility to attend. And we noticed that master's students, the number of master's students increased because at that time we were offering the online courses, which made them much more easier from various parts of Romania to attend the courses at Babes Bui University. Fiorina, as a student, how did you perceive that? Did you like it? Was that handy? I mean, sometimes, of of course it was handy because i i remember the time when i saw i don't know 20 black boxes and probably 15 of them lying in bed with a gin tonic you know so did you did you enjoy that online learning or not at all. It was very difficult and hard times. Firstly, we had problems and technical problems because we haven't experienced it before. It was new for us as a country. And when the COVID We were afraid for our health, for our family, and how we are going to continue our road in schools, in learning, university. It was a really hard time, but somehow we managed it. managed it. Firstly, as I told you, it was very difficult, but with time we adapted with the case, with more strong to face all challenges that we had. But one thing that maybe I would like to specify, trying a lot of teachers, they tried to and they did create platforms, used them for the best. Also teachers worked a lot. They maybe they work it over the time that they use it to work. They recorded a video that they posted. It was on platform e-learning. We call it in Albanian e-masimi. They were teacher recorded while explaining the subject. It was really hard for us as students, also as for teachers, but we did it. So yeah., and you also brought some music from Kosovo, I think. Can you say what it is? I chose Rita Ura, Shine Your Light. She is from Kosovo and I wanted to share with you all to hear Albanian music, even the song is in English, but from an Albanian singer. Okay, we have the technical team out there, Daniel and Didi, as usual, as often, and thank you very much for that, and I ask you to play this piece from Kosovo. up your radio I can hear you coming Start up the video You're still standing They'll never knock you down The beat never ending Let me hear your heart pound Hey I, hey I, hey-ah, hey-ah Hey-ah, shining star Hey-ah, hey-ah, hey-ah No matter where you are Oh, shine your light Oh, set the world on fire Oh, shine tonight Oh, set the world on fire Whoa, shine tonight Whoa, set the world on fire We gone, we gone, we shine We gone, we gone, we shine We going so loud Push up your lights and Faster and faster The sun rising higher Shining star No matter where you are Shine your light Set the world on fire Oh, shine tonight Oh, set the world on fire Oh, shine your light Oh, set the world on fire Oh, shine tonight Oh, set the world on fire, oh, shine tonight, oh, set the world on fire And we don't give up till we run out of desire Race to the finish and we never get tired We are the winners cause we hold the world title We started slow but we beat you in the final Hey ya, hey ya, hey ya Hey ya, shining star Hey ya, hey ya, hey ya No matter where you are Oh, shine your light Set the world on fire Shine tonight Set the world on fire Shine your light Set the world on fire We'll see don't shine. We know we don't shine. TerraFM PHTV live aus dem Studio in der Hohemerstraße. Heute in englischer Sprache, weil wir Gäste aus dem Kosovo und aus Rumänien haben. Wir haben Fiorina, Andrea und Thomas bewährt von unserer Hochschule. Yes, we have this program in English and it's about simple. Simple is the social impact of distance learning. There sounds a little bit a critical aspect in the title, which surprises me a bit, because the guy on the other side of this couch here is for me actually the symbol for mobile learning, the Mr. Mobile Learning of Pädagogische Hochschule Österreich. So how do you see this contradiction? So how do you see this contradiction? Well, you know, I always think that you have to look at things and to criticize them in a good way. You have to analyze things, you have to look at data and then you have to interpret the results. And it's not that I'm critical in a bad meaning. And it's not that I'm critical in a bad meaning. I still think, and I always repeat it while at the winter school, it's a wonderful opportunity that we have 40 people from all over Europe here in Linz in a face-to-face meeting. But it's also very nice sometimes when you have the opportunity to just start an online session and meet online. So everything has pluses and minuses, and we just have to be aware for what kind of intention we are using which tool. So I wouldn't say that's in general critical, but at least not in a bad meaning. Andrea, you sounded very positive. You saw strongly at the advantages that I can go, I can participate in a conference in Japan or in Australia now. And you kind of, I had at least the impression, I'm happy that it's less than it was. So you didn't like it that much. I mean, of course, there's usually when you are here, like in Linz, there's a lot beside the normal program. And this lot beside the normal program and this lot beside the normal program probably is missing yeah so what do we actually miss when that is missing I think we we miss this exposure to to other cultures to other linguistic identities to as Florina, in the CIPUS programs, we have the cultural evenings, which bring great joy to all the participants, not only in receiving, but sharing. You know, our identities are very important to each of us, and we need to feel proud of our identities and we need to feel aware of our identities. So these cultural evenings, that is an example of how we share traditions, as Florina said, traditions, food, places that we may visit. We launch invitations to the other participants. So this is very important, this exposure to other cultures, other traditions, to find out. And this is also the possibility for us to develop this eagerness and curiosity to visit those places. So I think this being together these days in Linz is about this, but it is also about connection. It is very much about, because it's also in the title about emotions, sharing, you know, having positive feelings when we are together, laughing together, thinking together about the different topics that the students and the teachers are presenting, having debates,, this is my view. I think the online education misses this strong connection between people. We are connected through technology. And as I said, we can connect even if there is longer distances or things like that. But, you know, sharing this experience, the feeling of being together, I think it's missing when it is online. talking about new ideas, personal issues in a way that our families, children, interests, hobbies for the students, partners, it defines who we are. And then in online, I don't think that you feel the same way to share this information in an online environment. So I strongly support online with the specific aim of the online education, but I also strongly support being together. And I think this program, the CIPAS program, which is for higher education institutions in Central Europe, has this really as an aim, a strong aim to support that and that is great. Yeah, Thomas, because CIPOS is mentioned again. We have to go a little bit more into detail about CIPOS. Yeah, well, it's a very interesting and nice program. And from my point of view, in comparison to Erasmus, Erasmus is also an exchange program, way bigger than CIPOS. CIPOS has much less countries than Erasmus. For me, CIPOS is a very nice and very effective way of working together and having some exchange, students exchange, staff exchange. So, yeah, it's a very nice program and I have very good impressions and good feelings about it. Who funds it? European countries. So all participating countries also put the money in the pocket and then it will be... But it's not an EU thing? No, it's not an EU thing. So is it Council of Europe or is it... Who is behind? What organization is behind? Or is it just an organization in itself? Yeah, in fact it is. They have their own leading board and in fact for us, Austrian, it's quite simple because it's located, the headquarter is located in Vienna. Okay. So, yeah. Well, they also have a national agency as Erasmus. In fact, they use the same institution like the ÖAD, which is also responsible for CIPOS, but generally it's its own organization. And we are the most westerly participating country, aren't we? Yeah, well, we are more or less, yeah. So how many countries, what countries do participate? Well, we have countries like Austria, obviously, we have Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, Romania, obviously, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Croatia, Poland, Croatia, thank you. So, yeah. But that's it. I would have to check, probably I missed some of them, but like the East-, South European countries. And I think you told me once, maybe we have listeners and viewers who actually get interested and hadn't known before. So what do you do when you have an idea? Well, the best idea is either to contact a national agency or just go on the cpos website cpos.info and you can find the technical part maybe is it possible to just give us the link or give our viewers the link cpos.info it's c e e w e p u s i think was that correct It's C-E-E-T-E-E-P-U-S. I think, was that correct? Because it is, I think it's also an opportunity that is not so well known and maybe could be even more used. Of course, of course. And they are extremely efficient, so they really try to give all the money away that they have. And course, of course. And they are extremely efficient, so they really try to give all the money away that they have. And that's really nice. So if you are already behind the deadline, but you still make a mobility, then you just call them and ask if some money is left, and then they say yes or no. Do we get the link? Maybe later on? We can also play some, maybe this time, Serbian music, and then give the link or maybe later on? We can also play some, maybe this time Serbian music and then give the link. Oh, here is the link. cpus.info. Here we have the link. Here we go. It's c for our radio listeners. C-E-E-P-U-S.info. cpus.info. And it's Central European. I don't know in fact um educational i don't know pedagogy whatever okay we play some serbian music Nu e ușor, nu e nici greu Să vă încerci acum să te-ntorci din drum, poate că e rău. Cu sufletul meu aș avea atât de multe să vă-ă spun Însă ochii tăi Se vor pierde în noapte Lăsându-mă pe mine normal Știu că ochii tăi Vor fi două șoapte Și-mi e foarte dor Mi-e tare dor Thank you. Muzica Vreau să simtie că ai susținut Părul tău va fi iarul de român Zor de zi, da Și aș vrea să pot să-ți spun Cândai venit Însă ochii tăi se vor gândi în alte Lăsându-mă pe mine în urma lor Muzica de intro Însă ochii tăi se vor pierde în lapte, Lăsându-mă pe mine în urma lor. Știm că ochii tăi vor fi două șoapte Und wieder, und wieder, undTV, live aus dem Studio in der Huemerstrasse mit Fiorina aus dem Kosovo, Andrea aus Rumänien und Thomas aus Linz zu Gast. Und ich muss mich entschuldigen. I have to apologize, Andrea. It was of course not a Serbian song, It was a Romanian song. I'm so sorry. I'm just getting old. Yeah. Andrea, maybe because this is, well, Thomas was mentioning data. So how and you were explaining a little bit already how you are working. But I suppose there should be an outcome of this. And you were mentioning that I think you were working in groups, as far as I understood it correctly. So the groups make presentations. So is there anything you can already tell us? I mean, it's still not over yet. You're still working. So the program, the preparation of the program started some good months ago when Thomas, as I said, reached out to the universities that are participating today. But the preparation started three or four months ago when he submitted the proposal and we were granted. So the teachers had online meetings every first one time per month, but then more frequently every second week, every Monday of the title and we entered the process we started the process of selecting the students and also disseminate this program to our colleagues because there are mobilities several types of mobilities with CIPAS and teachers can also apply for a teaching mobility or for a winter school or summer school in that way. And students had to be selected following some procedures, it depended on the university also, so that we will come in February this time in Linz. And then after the selection, and there is a platform, a CIPAS platform that you have to make an account. Of course, the participating universities are already there because the CIPAS platform is presenting this consortium and the title and the period 2023-2024. 2023, 2024. And then deciding the title, the students were asked to prepare, to prepare presentations, either individually, it depended. The presentations were already made at home before you came here? They were prepared. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were prepared at home. And under our supervision, you know, we had meetings with them. We decided the titles, the themes, some of them wanted to make more interactive presentations, some of the master's students wanted to do a research regarding the topic. So it was really regarding the outcomes for them. I think it started before they arrived here. And this week we have the schedule. Students present their work together with teachers or not. Teachers can present their own work or topics or that they were going. Anyway, we have our presentations and we invite everybody to participate and it is quite interactive because each of us considered to work in groups to to have reflection based activities to so to to give you know recommendations solutions to possible topics that we are, you know, just presenting and approaching. So regarding the teacher's perspective, I think it's not just this week. I think it is something that goes on for several months. And I'm sure that for most of them, if not all of us, but this will continue as impact. And we created professional communities. We have met new universities, colleagues that we have not known before. We are looking forward for the next year's CPUS program. So it is really something, a valuable outcome for all of of us and for students of course the same or even more. Fiorina what did you learn so far? From these days I have meet very rich culture from the other countries like Thomas mentioned before. It was a great experience to meet all of them and learn for each of them, for their country, for their culture, and also for the online learning about the challenges that they had. The technical issues that I thought maybe it wouldn't be the same as us because we faced it with challenges, but also them. But some of them has differences differences in advantage and disadvantage, but also was a great experience to share memories with them together, especially yesterday in country evening, in which days we also heard their presentation of the team of social impact of distance learning. Also, we had a great atmosphere there. When we joined all countries, no difference between religion or nationality. We were equal there. But what I'm interested in, maybe I'm a little bit nasty here now, I'm interested in what you actually learn. Because I think, as Thomas presented it to me I mean it should, the outcome, one outcome should be that teaching gets better or this kind of teaching gets better if I understood correctly. Do you think that you actually, are there things you learn, recommendations you would give your fellow students at home and so on who cannot participate in that? For example when I come back at home, I will share with them a very great, huge list of recommendations of what we can do else if we can repeat again and use online learning as we sometimes do. Most of them are the platform that we can use in simple and easiest way as we can, and also manage the time the best we can. From other country, I learned the best ways and the new methodology that we hadn't used but also the way that they did manage with their students, teachers, there was like new roads to succeed or the goals that through the learning. Andrea, from the teacher side, is there something you would say that you learned through this project which influences how you are doing it, the distance learning? Is there something we can do to reduce the negative sides concerning the social impact? Are there suggestions? Every presentation has its own value, that is for sure. And there is no presentation that you cannot find something useful to take home with you. That is for sure. Either is teacher, either is a student, because, you know, everybody was so dedicated and involved with the topic. So the way that you can be more interactive in an online education, that was something that I learned. I didn't use, because I'm another generation also, I didn't and I'm not very technological in that way, that I didn't use assessment moments or interactive moments like Kahoot. Of course, the students know it and I'm sure that our students know it. But in teaching Kahoot or Mentimeter or, you know, so it can be really, it can be used really in a very valuable way in assessment or just captivating their attention, let's say, or regarding emotions, not to neglect the emotions in online education and what was the impact they were presenting. And teachers presented also case studies in what happened in various situations and how they approached that difficult situation. Or there were discussions on mental health, there were discussions on depression, anxiety, isolation, social isolation, stress, a lot of stress. So because this interaction, the education and online education is not only just sharing the knowledge and getting the knowledge and learning, but it is also in developing and becoming, you know, the students become, they develop and they become. So emotion is very strong related to learning in that way. And then we can, as I said it at the beginning, this was a part that we could not control that much. As I think we can control it, control, I use it in a positive way, control it in the learning environment when we are, I see her, I see her giving me a feedback, I see if she's bored, if she's paying attention, if she's motivated, if she's curious or not at all interested. And this feedback, also an emotional feedback, not only, you know, a knowledge feedback that I don't understand or I like it or I don't like it. So this behavior and emotional feedback regulates very much what you are teaching, what you are presenting. So this was also very interesting because in online education, you have to try a little bit to compensate that and how you do that in an online environment. And it is also important. We all know that teachers were stressed and were challenged by the little dark boxes on the screen. They didn't get the feedback as you know, they were launching questions and nobody was answered. How do you deal with that? And OK, how what emotion do you create with what you are teaching in those who are online and how we can support that and find out in that way. Also from teachers' presentations, there were also ideas for the research, which for universities is a valuable thing to to to have common research ideas and plans for the future. We will extend for sure the cooperation between us. Yeah. And also from from the teacher's perspective is it is very it is a very good program that it is not focusing only on students or only on teachers. Because this online education was too direct. You know, I don't know if I'm clear. So it's teacher towards student, but also students towards teachers in a new environment. And we had to find out what is the best way. I don't know if we already have found it, but these programs are, I think, the best way that we can learn how to support all the implications and difficulties and challenges, as Florina said, for the future. One thing is for sure, online education is here and it will not disappear. And it shouldn't in that way. Having Andrea here on the couch in the studio, I can't resist speaking about special education because you are an expert in special education. And I'm just thinking online learning and special education I mean there must have been something going on also I mean how is that going how is so it depends from our discussions with teachers who worked in special education schools and settings and they had quite difficult times and they relied on the parents. Parents were a very important resource for their children to participate, to be there, to listen to the teacher and of course children, some of the children, we cannot say all of them, because not all of them have the level of severity that would make it difficult for participation. But some of them really had difficult times to maintain attention, to follow instructions, to parents, teachers had to send materials to the parents. So, okay, when I'm saying we are working on this, you know, paper on this exercise or this activity, parents would enable, you know, and would support that task on behalf of and together with their children. But my presentation was about this theme because online education gave the possibility for other vulnerable groups the opportunity to participate, like people who are having mobility difficulties and who would not be able to access. For them it's getting simpler. For them it's getting easier. So maybe elderly also, people who would like to follow, continue their studies. We had also many parents of children who would not be able to come to pursue their studies, but this way it was possible. Then people who are in remote, remote rural areas, now technology and connection, connectivity is quite good, I may say, or really good. Even in Romania, in the rural areas, children were supported with technology, with the connection to internet. But there are vulnerable groups who, for them, the online education is the answer. So in this way, it's a good thing that we opened this possibility for them to participate because they can only participate in an online form of education. For others, it was hard. It was hard because the relationship between the child and the teacher is so much you know on on on dependence sometimes the way that was an assumption yeah that you cannot replace that but the parents were heroes of those days we have to say for these children with various disabilities parents were the heroes because they it was very hard for them, but they were the ones who enabled this continuing educational activities and therapeutic activities. For example, and I will finish with this, teachers of orientation and mobility for blind children were sending the canes home or other materials for orientation to develop their skills. And while it was not easy, I was thinking especially on people with seeing difficulties because it's very much screen distance learning is very much screen focused. With a visual input. Yeah, visual input. That's the correct word. Yeah, so I was wondering how they are coping. I mean now assistive technology for blind is not an issue anymore. Many blind students use assistive technology and laptops to access information, to do their tasks, to have the exams. That's not a problem anymore. We have screen readers and students are really, really well skilled in that way. And this is one of the specific needs that has to be covered for them to access technology and to use assistive technology. It's not only the cane, but using laptops and using screen readers, that is a must, even if that is visual. But now this technology is really developed, so it is possible to do that. But that is for those who still follow the school curriculum in that way. Thomas, I'm sure as we are talking about the social impact of distance learning, I suppose it's a big difference between students and children. Yeah, I think so. Well, when we are talking about university level, it's something different than a school level. Even obviously it also kind of worked while the lockdown on the school level. But of course, university level is totally different. And yeah, we have to look at different areas when we say we look at school and we look at the university and do you kind of cover that during that week do you think about those things as well or is the focus more on one or the other the focus is more on higher education obviously but we also have sometimes examples from schools and effects well what effect the distance learning had in schools, but mainly we are talking about higher education. Thomas, what also interests me, because we are in Austria now talking a lot about dissemination of international experience, it's becoming more and more important. Is there anything planned to disseminate the results or whatever you kind of do during this week, apart from this broadcast, of course? Well, definitely, as already Andrea mentioned, it will go on. And, well, I applied once again, so I hope we will get some scholarship also next year. But anyway, the memories will stay and also the cooperation will stay. So it's not a one-time thing it should actually be a summer school or something yeah yeah well if we get the the permission from for the from the cpos uh we will make it definitely once again um but anyway we will continue some application sorry publication or well we were talking about it already. We are still somehow thinking about how we can arrange it, because, you know, when we are talking about new way of teaching and learning, we also might think about new way of publications. So, maybe not only the traditional one on a sheet of paper in the form of a book, but we also can think about some different kind of publication. That could be, for instance? You be, for instance? You know, for instance, some guidelines, what kind of aspects you should be aware of when you design a course online, such things, or some videos, some podcasting, you know, things in the wide area. I think it would be nice to have some kind of handout, practical handout for teachers. Yeah, well, as I said, once again, we are talking about higher education. Of course, we're also thinking about some guidelines for teachers. But again, maybe in a different way than in the classical printed way. I think you were mentioning that there could be a project website, right? So we can add this later, whenever that exists, we can add this later for viewing after, because this program will be available on Torv.TV and Radio Fro for viewing, for later viewing or listening, so we could add link. So check, whoever is listening now or afterwards, check on Radio Fruh and Dorf TV websites. There will be a link to the actual outcomes of this special simple project. Maybe in a, what's the time horizon? Well, I guess right now everything has to settle down a little bit and we have to come back to normal. But I think in a month or two we should have something. Great. In a month or two, just check something great in a month or two just check on the sites I'm just checking the time now yeah maybe there's time at least for a little bit of of maybe a Kosovo song again yeah we have another one I think talking in my sleep at night making myself crazy wrote it down and read it out hoping it would save me too many times too many times My love, he makes me feel like nobody else Nobody else But my love, he doesn't love me So I tell myself, I tell myself One, don't pick up the phone You know he's only calling cause he's drunk and alone Two, don't let him in You'll have to kick him out again Three, don't be his friend You know you're gonna wake up in his bed in the morning And if you're under him You ain't getting over him I got no rules, I count them I got no rules, I count them I got no rules, I count em I got a new rule for now I got a new rule for myself I got a new rule for now I got a new rule for myself I keep pushing forwards but he keeps pulling me backwards Nowhere to turn, nowhere to turn Now I'm standing back from it I finally see the pattern He doesn't love me, so I tell myself I tell myself, I do, I do, I do One, don't pick up the phone You know he's only calling cause he's drunk and alone Two, don't let him in You'll have to kick him out again Three, don't be a stranger You know you're gonna wake up in his bed in the morning And if you're under him, you ain't getting over him I got no rules, I count them I got no rules, I count them I got no rules, I count them I got a dilemma for myself I got no rules, I count them I got a dilemma for myself Practice makes perfect I'm still trying to learn it by heart Eat, sleep in Eat, sleep and breathe it Rehearse and repeat it Cause I Baby, let him go through all One, don't pick up the phone He always on the calling cause he's drunk and alone Two, don't let him in You'll have to kick him out again Three, don't be a stranger You know you're gonna wake up in his bed in the morning And if you're under him, you ain't getting no by him I got no rules, I count em I got no rules, I count em I got no rules, I count em I got no rules, I count em Baby, you know I count em I got no new life now Baby, you know I count down I got a new life now You get it over here Tera FM... Musik... Wir sprechen heute Englisch und das ist der letzte Rund. Fiorina, vielleicht beginnst du. Ich möchte meinen Gästen fragen, wenn es so ein interessantes Thema gibt, was ist auf deiner Wünschliste für die Zukunft? there is such an interesting topic. What is on your wish list for the future? You have been working with this topic, the social impact of distance learning now for some time. Yeah, it became important, kind of. So I'm sure you have some thoughts, dreams. Yeah, during this time, I learned a lot. And for the the future I hope so that we will try to use the best platforms, the best methods to make it easy firstly for ourselves as students in the future and teachers too. And the best exam like examples to inspire and from other countries that we were together with them. So like doing inspiration and from other countries we will try to do our best. not COVID-19 and other things, but to grow our knowledge through online learning, not only that we should or must, but that we want it. Great. Andrea. For me, I wish that technology will be in the use of also vulnerable people and people with various difficulties. Those who are at risk of being excluded socially, excluded would be more supported through technology. Thomas, and maybe you can include, because Fiorina was mentioning that, what makes a platform good? Well, I would go or come from the other side. On my wish list is that people try to reflect about what they really need to learn, what kind of bits and pieces they need and then they should somehow try to find some platform which fits the best and not just take anything out what's there. And the wish list? Well, that's my wish, that people really reflect about it. So reflection, I think, is one of the most important things. But maybe also wishes for, and that's open to everybody again, for the companies who provide that. I mean... Well, from my point of view, companies should try to listen to the customers and find out what they really need. And do you think they do that? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Well, we shouldn't do advertising here, so we cannot mention certain special things, but I'm sure you have an idea of what, but it's getting actually too late. That was Terra FM PH TV we have to continue some other time with that interesting topic, thank you for being our guests today and we wish everybody a nice afternoon Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020