Terra FM. Teacher Education Radio Austria. Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. Herzlich willkommen bei Terra FM PHTV live aus dem Studio in der Huemmerstraße mit zwei jungen Studiogästen heute. Und die kommen nicht aus Österreich, deshalb wechseln wir die Sprache und wird diese Sendung in der nächsten Stunde in englischer Sprache abgewickelt werden. Sie könnte auch auf Spanisch laufen, aber dann hätte vielleicht die Alice ein Problem, aber wir machen es auf Englisch, weil das verstehen wir alle. Wir haben hier die Alice und die Claudia. Welcome in the studio Alice and Claudia. Thank you. Thank you very much. So, where do you come from? So, maybe switch the microphone when you talk. That's probably the best, that you kind of have the microphone like I have it here. Alice, where do you come from? So maybe switch the microphone when you talk. That's probably the best that you kind of have the microphone like I have it here. Alice, where do you come from? So I come from County Clare in Ireland. It's on the West Coast. I'm studying primary school teaching in Mary Immaculate College in County Limerick, and I'm in my third year. And Claudia. Okay. Very different location. Yes. Hello, my name is Claudia González. I'm from Spain, from Toledo. That is a city that's near Madrid. And I study elementary education and pedagogy and I'm in my third year. And Toledo, isn't it the city of the bullfighting? For some reason, Toledo, I have it in my mind. It's famous the isn't it the city of the bull fighting or so for some reason toledo i have it in my mind it's it's famous isn't it yes like it has such a good history because uh three there has a lot of different population living there in such a long time ago they were like the ues the muslims and the christians living together in the country. So it's known as the city of the three different people living together. Sorry for my English. Alice, no problem. It's English as an international language. It is an English lesson, to be honest, but it's not really an English lesson. Alice, what brings you to Linz? Erasmus. I decided to study abroad. So I've been here since September. I suppose Linz is quite a central place to study. It's given me the opportunity to explore Europe. And I think the PH especially was a great choice for me and due to the wide range of courses and it's nearly time to go home I only have one week left but I've definitely really enjoyed my time in Linz. Well that's good to hear so the same applies it's Erasmus as well for Claudia but Claudia maybe what is Erasmus because we might have listeners and viewers who do not know what Erasmus is okay so Erasmus is a experience where you can live in a different country and study your your degree what your career you can study it in a different country for a few months or for a year or whatever you want and you can choose wherever you want to live in those in that semester for example in that year and study your career there and live a good experience travel a lot and also improve your english for example in my case and and everything that's yeah do you actually, does one of you know the guy who gave kind of his name to the program or where that comes from? Do you know? I don't think so. Do you know? No, like I know that they explain us to us like it's perfect. I don't remember the name. Was Erasmus from Rotterdam? He was a Dutch philosopher, traveler. Yeah. I don't know exactly when he lived. Probably was in the Age of Enlightenment. Yeah. So when was the Age of Enlightenment? The 17th century? Probably around that. Yeah. And he was really one of the first world travelers who traveled to gain knowledge and understanding. And he's had some very nice thing. I don't know exactly if I remember it correctly. I think it was somehow like, I'm at home. There's no place where I'm at home. Or to put it better, I'm at home everywhere. That's very nice, isn't it? So I think it's a very nice symbol to have this name for this program, because it opens kind of i think it even has the subtitle somewhere opening minds yeah would you would you say that that happened through what you did in this semester that you became more open-minded um yeah definitely in my case anyway, especially because we're in an Erasmus class. We've got students from Spain, Ireland, Czech Republic, Germany, Scotland. Am I forgetting anyone? Greece. Greece. So it's been really interesting to see how they learn, how they teach on school placement and their own personal experiences in our course that we've had. We do school practice once a week and I'm partnered with my friend Konstantina from Greece and it's been really inspiring and enjoyable to teach with her and see how she approaches things. And you were a little bit surprised today that you're kind of sitting in a live broadcast now because it's actually a course we have now together. So but time wise, it kind of collided and it was the easiest solution to do it that way to be honest, organizational wise, because Didi, our colleague, he also had to be somewhere else and we needed a topic. And I thought it's actually nice before you go home to have a little bit of reflection on the one hand about your stay and to make others actually go for the experience. Yeah, I think many people, I don't know, maybe think or don't dare to do it or are scared i don't know i mean it is a big thing not to go for nearly half a year to a completely different place it's not just like going out on a saturday evening not it is it is some other thing. But there is also support. So you get financial support, I think, and also social support. Not from probably your home university, and I hope as well from us. Is the support, did you need to pay a lot additionally from your private money? Or was it kind of all right yeah well because my case here like the prices are like made such a big difference because here in comparison of spain here's everything more expensive so yes i we have also to take like that money from our have to take like that money from our ourselves but well it's okay if you can manage the money that you have but it's always like a big trouble to like over these things yes yeah and in my case I think the same as Claudia we received an Erasmus grant and so it's just a small amount of money kind of to help with maybe your flights and stuff like that and additionally we just pay our normal college fees like as usual and we've paid for our own accommodation and same as Claudia I think we both worked a lot over the summer to save up our money and come here and so college fees you mean the college fee in ireland so ireland irish universities have universities have a fee yeah because austrians don't really know um in ireland it's about six thousand euro but um every third level college student receives um some funding from the government so it basically halves that cost so we still have to pay about 3,000 per year 3,000 per year, so it's a lot less than in the US, but still a lot more than here, because basically what you have to pay here is the student union fee, that's all so that's, but even if you go on Erasmus, we still pay it at home yeah, we still pay it at home well, that's something yeah, you still pay it at home? Yeah, we still pay it at home. Okay. Well, that's something. Yeah? And how is that in Spain? Yeah, in Spain, we have to pay for going to university in Spain as we were there. But then as we come here, we have a scholarship, Erasmus scholarship. That is just a little amount of money to pay our flights, as Alice said, and our statement here, and everything. Yeah, so you really need to want to do it. Yes, it's such a good experience. It's not completely easy, but it's also, it's a nice opportunity and a great chance that it's possible. I mean mean this is not self-evident yeah and i i personally always i never understand people who are against the eu to be honest yeah because uh beside all the difficulties it might have and beside the the possible improvements we can think of yeah not having it i think is far worse yeah and i was a bit shocked during covid times that suddenly all nations closed in again which didn't help anyway i mean it got everywhere anyway so it might might have helped a bit to slow it down but but that's all so but the first reaction it seems to me for for us human beings when we face danger or fear is closing in yeah and closing in is not always the best strategy sometimes it's opening up yeah so I was a bit shocked by this travel restrictions and all that. This is probably the one thing that hits me most when I'm locked in somewhere. So during this course, and we will, after the first piece of music, which we will play soon, during this course, I mentioned before, we actually are having today and now, we talked a little bit about dialogue, about conflict, about parallel worlds. So we will get into that later on. But before we go to the music, I'd like to say thank you to the technical team Adriana, Aina, Daniel and Lizi for doing the technical part out there today and we ask you to play our first piece of music what is it we'll hear soon There we go. And do the music vibe And the boys, just the girls, the girls in the hair Why we shout to men who just sit way over there And the songs, they get louder each one better than before And you're singing the songs, thinking this is the life And you wake up in the morning and your head is twisted sides Where you gonna go, where you gonna go And where you gonna sleep tonight And you're singing the songs, thinking this is the life And you wake up in the morning and your head is twisted sides Where you gonna go, where you gonna go? Where you gonna sleep tonight? Where you gonna sleep tonight? So you're heading down the road and you texted before And you're waiting outside, gym is front door But nobody's in and nobody's home till four So you're sitting there with nothing to do Talking about rubber rider and his motley crew And where you gonna go, where you gonna sleep tonight And you're singing a song, thinking this is your life And you wake up in the morning and your head's a twist of size Where you gonna go, where you gonna go Where you gonna sleep tonight? And you're singing the songs, thinking this is your life And you wake up in the morning and your head's a twist of size Where you gonna go, where you gonna go Where you gonna sleep tonight? Where you gonna sleep tonight. We are going to sleep tonight. You're singing me songs, thinking this is a lie. When you wake up in the morning and your head feels what's the size. Thank you. Where you gonna go? Where you gonna sleep tonight? And you're singing the songs, thinking this is the life And you wake up in the morning and your head first hits the stars Where you gonna go? Where you gonna go? Where you gonna sleep tonight? And you're singing the songs, thinking this is the life And you wake up in the morning and your head first hits the stars Where you gonna go? Where you gonna go? Where you gonna sleep tonight? Where you gonna go, where you gonna sleep tonight? Where you gonna sleep tonight? Terra FM Teacher Education Radio Austria Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich Terra FM, PHTV live aus dem Studio in der Hohemerstrasse. Heute in englischer Sprache, weil wir haben Alice und Claudia zu Gast. Und später kommen vielleicht noch Eina und Adriana auch noch herein. Das müssen wir sehen, ob wir sie noch motivieren können. Die Sendung deshalb in englischer Sprache. Alice kommt aus Irland und Claudia kommt aus Spanien. Super, dass ihr hier seid. Ja, Alice, wir haben unseren Publikum versprochen, dass wir ein bisschen über diesen Kurs sprechen. Ich habe diesen Kurs sehr letztes Jahr übernommen. Und tatsächlich heißt es Englisch für akademische Gründe. kind of this course. I mean, I took over this course very recently and actually it's called English for Academic Purposes and I tried to do the first course that way. I kind of came to that course a little bit by coincidence, so I suddenly realized that it's not really my topic, but it's a bit difficult to change the course while it's running. But luckily, we have a very nice boss, and we kind of managed to shift a bit. I still think it fits in a way, because a lot about you use English, as far as I know in university life is actually discussion with others yeah in the best form it's dialogue so I promised already that we go a little bit into the difference between dialogue and discussion if you just hear those two words and think of what you did this semester, what would you think is the difference? I think emotion has a lot to do with dialogue. Sometimes discussion might just be a little bit more third person nearly or just not as in-depth, whereas dialogue is a small bit more third person nearly or just not as in depth, whereas dialogue is a small bit more emotional and you can kind of display how you truly feel and your opinions on important subjects such as conflict, like we did discuss a lot and other personal opinions as well. Well, that could mean that I'm in dialogue, that I shout around and just shout around accusations. Would that be a good dialogue? No, I don't think so. But that would be emotional. Yeah, but emotional while also considering your audience and considering your counterparts as well. where you kind of had the feeling that you were talking to somebody who kind of just wanted to tell you his or her opinion and not listening to yours? Yes, like sometimes it happens. And in this case, you just have to relax, tell your opinion. If they want to listen to you, they will. If they won't listen to you, they are not going to listen. So it's important to us to listen and respect other opinions, but also be clear about our own and trying to be comfortable and learn a lot about everything. Like never stop learning because you always have something new to under to try to understand and to improve because we can think that we know everything in the world but it's not true and we for example we are such a we know a lot such about a theme but maybe that's not true, and we have to improve, and to learn, and to be better. JORGE FELIPE GONZALEZ- I think that's an important point, Claudia, you made here. Learning, yeah? Because I think every good conversation among people is also a learning opportunity. And there was an Italian filmmaker, he said once uh i learned most from the people who criticize me which is an interesting attitude no because uh he said i actually i like the people who love but i learn much more from the people who actually criticize me who are hard on me yeah of course, that has a limit, respect. And I don't know the English word for. If you give somebody the value, if you make people feel if you make, if you miss that, then you make people feel bad. But if you give that, you give people their value. Is there an English word for that? I'm not sure. It is important when discussing kind of topical things that you are open-minded yeah that's important yeah even though maybe what you're hearing is not what you want to hear and you completely disagree with someone it's still important to show them respect at the end of the day and maybe going back to the dialogue through showing emotion and respectfully showing that you disagree is important. Yeah, right. Maybe the dialogue is that you go into a talk with somebody who has a different opinion, for instance, with the general idea that you could maybe also change your opinion. Yeah? Because of what the other person is saying. I don't think you necessarily have to change it, but it's just the attitude that makes a complete difference in the talk, I think, yeah? And I think in our society, it's probably crucial that we learn that. So do you have an idea actually what could help, what we could do? I mean, you will become, both of you will become primary school teachers, yeah? I think that's where it starts, no? Yeah, definitely. So what is our responsibility as teachers? What can we do? I suppose to begin with I am just make sure that children know that in your classroom that there it's a safe space to communicate and opinions and ideas safe space is very important and additionally just if you do disagree with someone to make it clear to the children that maybe fighting is not going to solve any disagreements between each other and having a mature discussion like as mature as you can get with small children um about opinions on things yeah i totally agree with you i think the one of the most important things that we have to teach as teachers, future teachers, is to learn how to respect each other and to love ourselves and to try to make everyone feel comfortable in our class. I think it's really important because nowadays mental health is a big issue and we should take that in count. And since they are little, since they are, I don't know, from three years of their whole life, they should feel like their emotions are valuable and that they can feel whatever emotion they want to express and that we can listen to them as they can they have to listen to others opinions i think a lot of the safe space thing i like that because i think a lot of aggression of fear and fear comes from people feeling not safe yeah Yeah? And that is actually, you can see it in small things, in relationships, in schools, in partnerships, but also in societies. And in big conflicts, you see this kind of trust in violence, which we should have the experience by now that it never solves anything I mean thousands of years and we still haven't learned how is that possible well I don't know I think depends on the scale of the conflict we're discussing you know there's wars and big political problems going on around the world at the moment so in that instance it's difficult to just ask people in the midst of violence and conflict that can we all just sit down and speak in a safe space so I think to focus on the younger children in the classroom and discuss these conflicts at a reasonable level with them and show to them that if something like that were to happen in their future, that it's important they speak about it rather than physically try and overcome their opponent. You need a lot of courage for my next question. Because I want an honest answer. A real honest answer. And you don't, you can really, I really want you to say how you perceived it. If you look back on your practice experience here in Austria, do you think that was a safe space yes in my case yes totally what what what what was important to for that well what you saw I am I am very lucky I think because I have such a great partner, Sophia, one kiss. And also my mentor teacher, she was, she's really comprehensive with me. They gave, she gave us a lot of confidence to try new things, to experience and to also make mistakes and learn from our mistakes because something that is very important is that we actually do the things that we put in practical, what we theoretically do in class. So I think it's a great opportunity to us to see that in a class and also in this case an Austrian class because in Spain it's very different as they do everything in class. It's really different. So for me it was very interesting and I felt so great all the time. We actually, my partner and me, made a lot of progress. I think I improved my skills of teaching and also how to avoid conflicts in class, how to improvise in class, and also a lot of materials. And so I am very happy to have that opportunity. So yes, I felt really safe. And I think that that's why I actually learned a lot because I felt great and I had this opportunity which I could express myself and discover new techniques and materials and a lot of things. So that's why I actually learned. And the children as well? Yes, i think so was it the same for you alice or and i want an honest answer definitely the same for me yeah um it was very vulnerable at the beginning because um i mean it's always going to be nerve-wracking to stand in front of a class for the first time but in this instance obviously the language of instruction is German instead of English and I had grade one and two so quite young children but I actually think that it was the children who nearly made the classroom a safe space for me they were very welcoming and they weren't hesitant to put up their hands and their confidence actually in raising their hand and trying to say something and not being fearful of maybe pronouncing it wrong or not knowing the English word actually gave me the confidence to do the same and stand up in front of them so it was definitely a two-way street but yeah thankfully a really safe space good yeah maybe nearly half time time for the second piece of music it was amy mcdonald before with this is the life which fits very well to everything we're talking about Baby, you can find me under the lights Diamonds under my eyes Turn the rhythm up, don't you wanna just come along for the ride Oh, my outfits are tight You can see my heartbeat tonight I can take the heat, baby, best belief that's the moment I shine cause every romance shakes and it burns don't give a damn when the night's here I don't do tears baby no chance I could dance I could dance I could dance watch me dance dance the night away My home could be burning but you won't see it on my face Watch me dance, dance the night away I'll still keep the party running, I want it out of place Lately I've been moving close to the edge Stupid looking my best I stay on the beat, you can count on me, I ain't missing no steps Cause every romance shakes in your veins, don't give a damn When the night's here, I don't do tears, baby, no chance I could dance, I could dance, I could dance Watch me dance, dance the night away My heart could be burning But you won't see it on my face Watch me Dance, dance the night away I'll still keep the party running I want it out of place When my heart breaks When my heart breaks Cause I've never seen, never seen When my world shakes I stay alive, I'm still alive I don't play safe Don't you know about me I could dance, I could dance, I could dance Even when the tears start flowing, there are diamonds on my face I still keep the party going, not one hair out of place It's the evil in the tears that's flowing, there are diamonds on my face I'll still keep the party going Not one hair out of place Yes I could Even when the tears are flowing That diamonds on my face Yes I could Yes I could I'll still keep the party going Not one hair out of place Watch me dance, dance the night away My heart could be burning But you won't see it on my face Watch me dance, dance the night away I'll still keep the party running, I wouldn't get out of place When my heart breaks When my world shakes I don't play safe, don't you know about me I could dance, I could dance, I could dance I don't play safe, don't you know about me. I could dance, I could dance, I could dance, dance the night. Terra FM. Teacher Education Radio Austria. Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. Terra FM, PHTV, live aus dem Studio in der Huemerstrasse. Zu Gast heute Claudia aus Spanien und Alice aus Irland. Great that you are with us today, girls. Can I say that? Yeah, okay. Still young girls. Okay, old man and young girls. Yeah, we were talking about, we have a little bit of, we elaborated on the importance of dialogue, of kind of having a safe space in school. And I think now we can have a little look on how that can influence society or what it needs that it can influence society. I mean, nowadays, children, and that probably increased in the last decades the children spend an awful lot of time in school so beside family we are probably the most influential people on children's development So how should we design school that we create an open society which cares about the others? Because I also think that is important nowadays to solve today's problems and probably the future is even more. If we think of climate change and probably even a lot more migration than we have now necessary migration because when you can't when when you are in the place where you can't live anymore i mean what you do i mean shall we just say stay there die of hunger i don't know what i mean so what can we do in schools to prepare the children for those coming problems that they will kind of face them and find solutions do you have any idea i think maybe it's going to be important for us not to just teach about things like climate change and inform the students but rather look at it from kind of a point of view of responsibility and I suppose hold our hands up and say like it's it's our own fault it's the human race's fault that this is what we're facing at the moment and um it's not any one person's issue and there's obviously some richer people in the world who may contribute to it single-handedly more than communities of people but at the same time um it's important to show the students like little things maybe that they can do in their lives to combat and take responsibility for these issues. Isn't that also dangerous as well, that kind of children get overwhelmed or scared or even develop mental illnesses because of those abstract fears. Isn't that a danger as well, or how can we deal with that? Well, I think education is a crucial part in our life. So to improve this condition that, for example, climate change, as you said before, we have to educate the children, of course, and also make them understand what they can do with their hands, not put the problems that they can face. Small things can make bigger things if they are done. So, for example, tell them that when they wash their hands, they don't rest their the water and they lay down. Sorry, the name I don't know in English. But you know what I mean, like smaller things can make a big impact in our society and I think that's where we have to start. Like for example, recycling. For example, I am learning to teach from zero to six. So because in Spain we have an elementary school and then we go to primary school. So we have from... There will be kindergarten here. Yeah, we have a specification that's called education infantil and in the from three to six we're in a school and we have a different curriculum than in primary schools where we did uh not only maths or science or but we did about our to reconnect with our emotion, how to recognize our emotions, how to face climate change, how to face with the situation they're going to have in their lives. So really important to make a base in their minds. can feel more comfortable about talking and actually learn how to make, like do better to face all these matters of the world, I think. You want to add something, Alice? I think Claudia said it all, to be honest. Just the foundation of how they're taught to treat others and treat our environment will stand to them um in their adult life as well i mean there's one challenge we face in our societies i think and worries me a lot to be honest yeah which is the the political development there was a broadcast on the bbc uh I think it was on Saturday, if I'm right, about, I think it was a podcast in BBC Sounds, is democracy dying? Yeah. And it was kind of about how young people see democracy. And at least those two guys who did that podcast, they were kind of, or they had the impression, or they transported the impression that young people kind of lost faith in democracy as a good strategy to govern a country. I mean, you are young yourself. So what do you think? You come from two different countries. What do you think about democracy? Well, personally, I actually just registered to vote in Ireland the other day. There's local elections coming up in the next few months. So I've definitely decided that I want to have a say in that and I think there's confusion sometimes that people may say I won't bother it's only one vote but at the same time especially for us as women there's been such a fight um you know historically for equality and for everyone to have a voice and now now that, in Ireland anyway, all young people, all genders, we all have the chance to have our peace heard, that I think it would be silly for us not to utilize that in a positive way. I totally agree with that. Yes. And if you look at your friends, do you think everybody has that opinion? Or are the BBC people right when they said democracy is dying? Well, I haven't seen that podcast. But something that I always say to myself is that it's better for me to actually, when I don't know a lot of things about a theme, to try to not say things that I don't know if they're true or not. So, for example, in this case, I have a lot of things to learn. I am 20 years old, so I know just a few things about politics. So I don't know, like, I'm learning and that's the actually progress that I'm making in my life and so I am making my own opinion about what I believe what I think is good what I think is bad but well the thing I I am learning so about that I don't know I just think that I'm going to use my voice to tell what I think. But in this case, to vote, for example, what I think is going to be better for my future and for me and for everyone around me. Well, I think you two are self-confident young women who see the value of democracy. And you are completely right that uh there was a time and it's not that long ago where women had to fight for the rights to vote so it's it's a pity that so many so many people seem to have forgotten and of course corruption and scandals all that uh can give you the feeling that uh all those people elected don't do good things anyway but I think actually that many good things are not seen yeah you only but what we read and here comes maybe us as the media come into that as well because negative news sell better that's a kind of saying we have no uh so we kind of constantly give out a lot if you look like about if you look at the daily news that how much is positive and how much is negative it's probably 90 to 10. It's 90% catastrophes, scandals, corruption, crime, and 10% good stuff. If, sometimes even less, maybe. So I ask myself, what does that do to a society? And how do we prepare children for that? Do you have any ideas? How you would go into a primary school class we learn them to read we learn them to write we learn them to speak in a way to speak out yeah we try to give them the courage to say their opinion and then we send them out into the world are they prepared well for what they face um i think if you in addition to all of that you highlight resilience and you highlight the importance of believing in yourself and believing that your opinions on things if you are very um passionate about them to be resilient and to understand that there will be people who might try and knock you down maybe try and convince you that your opinions don't matter that they're wrong if you can show to children that the importance of being resilient and just believing in yourself and being able to block out in a way what other people have to say to you to try to bring you down i think that will um help them go a long way in their adult life i think you have time for one more song maybe Thank you. Been kicked around since I was born And nothing's gonna change the way we live Cause we can always take but never give And all the things are changing for the worse, see Life's going nowhere Somebody help me Somebody help me, yeah Futures made of virtual insanity Now always seem to be governed by this love we have For useless twisting of a new technology Oh now there is no sound for we all live underground Well now I get low and I get high And if I can't get either, I really try Got the winds up happening on my shoes I'm a dancing man and I just can't lose And nothing's gonna change the way we live Cause we can always take but never give And now the thing's changing for the worse, see Oh, life's going nowhere Somebody help me Somebody help me Somebody help me, yeah Futures made of virtual insanity Now always seem to be governed by this love we have For useless twisting of a new technology Oh now there is no sound For we all live underground Life's going nowhere Somebody help me Somebody help me out Life's going nowhere Somebody help me Somebody help me, yeah Futures made of virtual insanity Now always seem to be governed by this love we have For useless twisting of a new technology Oh now, there is no sound For we all live underground Oh, futures made of virtual insanity Now always seem to be governed by this love we have for useless Twisting of a new technology Oh now there is no sound For we all live underground Live underground, live underground THRFM Teacher Education Radio Austria Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. PHTV, Terra FM, live aus dem Studio in der Hömerstraße zu Gast. Claudia und Alice. Claudia aus Spanien, Alice aus Irland. Deshalb die Sendung in englischer Sprache. Es geht um, einerseits es geht um viel, es geht um die Welt. Es geht um Erasmus. Es geht um Dialog. Es geht um, was wir als Pädagoginnen und Pädagogen für den Frieden tun können. Es geht um das, wie wir Kindern heute helfen können. Ich mag das Wort vorbereiten nicht, wie wir Kindern helfen können, die Zukunft zu bewältigen. Und ich wechsle wieder in die englische Sprache. Ich war nur die Aussprache zu sagen, weil wir meistens eine deutschsprachige Aussprache haben, also gebe ich ihnen einfach ein bisschen Informationen, warum wir Englisch sprechen. Und ich habe ihnen ein bisschen erzählt, worüber wir sprechen. Und ich habe auch gesagt, dass ein Thema, was wir als Bildungsleute tun können, um es so zu sagen, One topic is what we can do as education people, to put it that way. I don't like the word prepare because it's always kind of, I'm not totally sure how many options we really have to prepare people for the future. For a future we don't even know ourselves. So it's more kind of, you were mentioning the word resilience. I think resilience is a very important thing. That we help, I'd rather say to help children to be strong enough to cope and to find solutions for what's coming. That's probably the most important. And I think that should influence our pedagogical thinking. And if I ask you as future primary school teachers, how do we have to design a classroom that could happen best? What do you mean exactly I mean when we talk about future it's all probabilities nobody of us knows the future we have some data but it's not totally sure what will happen. So I think the most important for young people is, I don't know if you agree, you're still young, but I think the most important for young people is to be confident to find solution for what might come. Because otherwise you, what is the word for zweifeln, you could get extremely sad and kind of give up. Because if I think of climate change and what could come, we don't know what would come, but if you only think what could come, you could kind of get desperate. So what do you need that you don't get desperate? So I think you need the confidence that even if it's difficult, you find solutions. What can we do in school to foster that? I suppose we can help children learn how to rationalize their feelings. As you said, when you think about climate change, you can kind of get maybe a bit too far ahead of yourself when you think about the future. And so we need to show them that it's important that we discuss these topics, but it's also important that we rationalise them and break them down, maybe break situations down into past present and future so that we're not carrying the all the load of all of those three things together at the same time claudia any addition maybe yeah and i also think empathy is really important and and it helps to understand our own opinions and our own feelings and the others. I think empathy is what the society needs to serve, to develop. And I don't know, I think it's really important that we teach that to our children, to have empathy to others and to try to understand the feelings of other people and also your own, I think it's really important. So when you understand your feelings, when you understand, I think it's let's fear for the future. I have a wish. What wish? I have the wish that in 30 years, you would still say something like that. So keep that. Keep that engagement and that mature view, despite all this bureaucracy that you will be facing in schools and all that kind of stuff. Because I think the world needs teachers like you to be honest thank you yeah i really i really must say that now i like i like your analyzes and i like uh how you kind of put it in in a practical pedagogical view that's really really very mature so i hope i hope you don't let the world destroy that for you. Yeah. I hope not. I hope so. So do you have a wish, like a wish for society or for how, where we should go? how where we should go um i think um my wish would be that we don't lose sight of what's important there's a lot of um you know i think social media has a big play in things that we maybe obsess over things that don't really matter so when it comes down to it i wish that we can enjoy those luxuries but also um remain focused on what is important, which can be something as basic as your health, your family's health, your friends and just being happy within yourself. Claudia, what's your wish? I wish that we end up living in a world that we all can feel safe, respected, and of course not to be a worse and everything, but just a worse who all can be respected as persons, as individuals, and also respect others. I think the most important also with love. I think love is really important like for families friends i think love takes a real important part in our lives so learn how to love i think that's my wish how to love others and how to love ourselves that are is really important do you want to know what i think actually because love is often romanticized yeah yes i love romance sometimes it's a bit of an advantage to be 60 nearly 62 years old yeah and i think uh i still have a little bit i wouldn't say i lost all my romance. Romance is fine and it's OK. But I think a lot about love is very close to what we talked about, respect, and also creating safe space for each other. I think that has a lot to do with love. And I see many relationships where that doesn't happen. So there was a psychologist once I talked to, and he said, and I think it applies for everything. It goes on and on till society and everywhere. But it starts actually when two people want to be together. And he said, when two people want to be together yeah and he said when two people want to be together they have to negotiate a we a what a we it's to we it's to use who need to negotiate we and I really like that it's very practical it doesn't sound very romantic but it's actually what it is yeah it's probably it's probably what makes it possible that love can actually be more than falling in love because there's a big difference yeah between kind of having these hearts in your eyes and see everything like paradise, which usually lasts about six months, if it lasts long. My experience. But then there's something, and that has to do a lot with creating an atmosphere where you can talk about everything. And that sounds very naive in a way but it's really really hard to create such an atmosphere yeah and i think uh if we teach children if you create that space what you call safe speak in the classroom about everything, yeah? Without being laughed about or so on, yeah? Maybe they can carry that on in their relationships, in their work situations, yeah? Because then I think we could solve probably a lot of our problems. Yeah, I think listening could solve probably a lot of our problems. Yeah. I think listening is really important. In class, if a kid is telling you something, it's because he cares or she cares about that. So it's important that we're not like, no, it's not about the theme of the class. No, it's important that we listen to the kids. What's happening to you? Do you want to talk about that? Like, I think sometimes it's better that we listen to the kids' needs instead of teaching a lesson. I think sometimes it's more important because if the kid is not all right, or the kids want to talk to you about something, he or she won't listen to the class. He won't listen to you. He won't learn. It's good to be good in our inside to actually learn about things. So we have a very important job, don't we? Yeah. Yeah. I think many people don't see that and many societies don't see it. That this is where it all starts and where it all goes on. Yeah. That we learn early that being together always means to negotiate a way of various use. Can you say that in English? Various use? can you say that in english various use because in german you in german you can actually say that you can say uh is it's why do you say that in english to use must negotiate a we it doesn't make sense in english two individuals maybe oh that sounds complicated yeah two two individuals must negotiate a week. Can you still say that? Yeah, in this case we will. So it's a big deal, but the two years doesn't work that well. Not too bad, it's all right. Okay, maybe I can ask my technical team. It's nearly because the next broadcast, I think it's the 15th of February. Is that correct? No the first, next broadcast is on the 1st of February, gosh first day in a month yeah 1st of February thank you for listening that was Terra FM PH TV live from the studio in Hohemerstrasse Claudia from Spain and Alice from Ireland were our guests and we wish you a very nice afternoon. Bad bad boy, shiny toy with a price, you know that I bought it Killing me slow, out the window I'm always waiting for you to be waiting below Devils roll the dice, angels roll their eyes What doesn't kill me makes me want you more And it's new, the shape of your body is blue The feeling I've got in it Ooh, it's a cruel summer It's cool, that's what I tell them No rules, it'll break up, won't happen But ooh, it's a cruel summer with you Hang your head low in the glow of a vending machine I'm not dying Thank you. Angels roll their eyes And if I bleed, you'll be the last to know Oh, it's blue The shape of your body is blue The feeling I've got in it Ooh, oh, oh, oh It's a cruel summer It's cool That's what I tell them No rules Can break up all heaven But ooh, oh, oh, oh It's a cruel summer With you And break up all heaven but Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Summer with you I'm drunk in the back of the car And I cried like a baby coming home from the bar Said I'm fine but it wasn't true I don't wanna keep secrets just to keep you alive Stuck in through the garden gate Every night that summer just to steal my fate And I scream for whatever it's worth I love you, ain't that the worst thing you ever heard? He looks up, grinning like a devil It's blue, the shape of your body It's blue, the feeling I've got And it's cool, it's a cruel summer It's cool, that's what I tell him Bye. Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017